Fandom/Ship Clarification Post #2

[idficmod]

Find the final fandom/ship related queries below. Responses to this post will be accepted for 24 hours, after which we will change or reject any remaining pending nominations, and then sign-ups will open. That being said, sign-ups will be opening a day late to allow time for responses to this post (separate post about the delay to follow).

General Queries

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (TV): HYDRA & Lincoln Campbell (AoS)
We will change this to "Any HYDRA Member(s) & Lincoln Campbell" unless the nominator feels this meaningfully changes the tag.

DC Extended Universe: Diana (Wonder Woman)/Alfred Pennyworth (DCEU), Diana (Wonder Woman)/Barbara Minerva (DCEU), Diana (Wonder Woman)/Harleen Quinzel (DCEU), Diana (Wonder Woman)/Lois Lane (DCEU)
Are these meant to go under Crossover Fandom, or is "(Wonder Woman)" being used to clarify who Diana is? If this is the case, can "Diana (Wonder Woman)" be changed to just "Wonder Woman"?

Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling: Harry Potter/Multiple female characters
We will change this to "Harry Potter/Any Two or More Female Characters" unless the nominator feels this meaningfully changes the tag.

Marvel Cinematic Universe: Avengers Team Members (MCU)
We will change this to "Any Two or More Avengers Team Members (MCU)" unless the nominator feels this meaningfully changes the tag.

A Song of Ice and Fire & Related Fandoms: Aemond Targaryen/Lucerys Velaryon (ASoIaF & related)
ASOIAF and GOT are both already in the tagset. Please choose one, if there is no response we will change it to ASOIAF.

Assassin's Creed - All Media Types
We'd like to avoid AMT fandoms where possible--can this be changed to Assassin's Creed Games?

Danny Phantom: Danny Fenton & Justice League (DCU), Danny Fenton/Jason Todd
These are crossover ships and should go under Crossover Fandom. We will move them, but there are multiple iterations of the Justice League and Jason Todd--please clarify how these should be disambiguated.

DCU: Batfamily Members & Justice League & Members of the Team (Young Justice) & Bruce Wayne, Billy Batson & Bruce Wayne, Billy Batson & Clark Kent, Billy Batson & Justice League, Clark Kent & Kon-El | Conner Kent, Clark Kent & Lex Luthor, Clark Kent/Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent/Lex Luthor, Tim Drake & Dick Grayson & Jason Todd & Bruce Wayne & Damian Wayne, Tim Drake/Kon-El | Conner Kent
Can these go under "DCU (Comics)" which is already in the tagset?

Fate/stay night & Related Fandoms
We'd like to avoid "& Related Fandoms" where possible--can this be changed?

Marvel (Comics): Steve Rogers/Tony Stark (616), Steve Rogers/Tony Stark (Ultimates)
Marvel (Comics) contains disambiguations for both 616 and Ultimates--should these be split into two fandoms or is it okay for them to both be under Marvel (Comics)?

Marvel (Comics): Tony Stark/Tony Stark
Is this referring to a canonical double or universe crossing, or something else?

Star Wars - All Media Types (Original Characters): Original Male Hutt/Any Female Non-Hutt Character (SWOC), Original Male Hutt/Original Human Female Bounty Hunter (SWOC), Original Male Hutt/Original Twi'lek Dancing Girl (SWOC)
We'd like to avoid AMT fandoms where possible. Can this be changed to "Star Wars (Movies)"?

Terror Train - All Media Types
We'd like to avoid AMT fandoms where possible. Can this be changed?

XCOM (Video Games) & Related Fandoms
We'd like to avoid "& Related Fandoms" where possible. Can this be changed?

Piping Issues
The nomination rules disallow piping. Please provide guidance for which of the piped names to delete if you are the nominator or are familiar with the fandom. If there is no response, we will arbitrarily choose one name to delete.

Assassin's Creed: Rashid ad-Din Sinan | Al Mualim
DC's Arrowverse: Alura In-Ze | Alura Zor-El (Arrowverse)
Crossover Fandom: Gabriel Lorca | Mirror Gabriel Lorca (SW: D), Lorne | Krevlornswath (AtS)
Hazbin Hotel: Charlie Magne | Morningstar
Homestuck: Dave's Bro | Beta Dirk Strider, The Psiioniic | The Helmsman, The Signless | The Sufferer
Marvel Cinematic Universe: Brunnhilde | Valkyrie
Miraculous Ladybug: Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Alternate Adrien Agreste | Claw Noir, Alternate Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Shadybug
Found (TV): Sir | Hugh Evans
The Hazards of Love (Webcomic): Fawn | Amparo Uribe
Warbreaker - Brandon Sanderson: Denth | VaraTreledees
Warhammer 40.000: Rogue Trader (Video Game): Female Rogue Trader | Lord Captain

Comments

[svgurl]

Not the nominator but as someone who has nominated ships for her before, "Diana (Wonder Woman)" is her character tag. She does also go by "Diana Prince" in the DCEU if that helps.

[(Anonymous)]

Also not the original nominator but Aemond Targaryen/Lucerys Velaryon are from House of the Dragon, may make the most sense to put it in HotD TV instead of ASOAIF.

[(Anonymous)]

I’m the nominator for the DCEU Diana ships! Diana’s canonical AO3 ship tags always have her disambiguated as “Wonder Woman”, so I wasn’t even thinking about it - those were all intended as DCEU-only nominations, not crossover nominations. Sorry!

I would say it probably makes the most sense to change them to “Diana Prince” rather than “Wonder Woman”, if that’s doable?

[flowersforgraves]

They are approved as "Diana Prince"! Thanks.

[(Anonymous)]

Not the nominator, but for the Star Trek Discovery crossover, I’d say keeping just Mirror Gabriel Lorca makes the most sense, since there is technically a non-mirror Gabriel Lorca as well, but the mirror version is the main one you see in the show.

[(Anonymous)]

Nominator here. Yes, Mirror Gabriel Lorca is the one to keep. I just C&Ped from a previous nomination without thinking about the piping being there.

[ferdiad]

Fate Nominator here— sorry in advance for how complicated this fandom is. ^^;

The “& Related Fandoms” tag is the canonical and most populated tag for F/SN and its various multimedia spinoffs & adaptations. Splitting these into individual fandoms gets a bit too granular to account for the possibilities of in-universe timelines and such (the anime series and movies, for example, all adapt different routes of the game, and any preferences for these could just be specified as an additional detail instead of locked in as a specific fandom).

From my practical experience in this fandom, people who want to request or offer F/SN-related work would know what they’re getting into with the “& Related Fandoms” tag! And I honestly doubt anyone besides me will be requesting or offering these ships lol. Is it okay to leave that fandom tag as is because of this?

I did nominate a few ships under that tag that could be sorted more specifically under “Fate/Zero,” since that only has one anime! (“Emiya Kiritsugu/Kotomine Kirei (Fate)” and “Irisviel von Einzbern/Kotomine Kirei (Fate)”). I don’t have any fandom slots left, though, so I’m not sure if mods can make a separate fandom for that. If not, they can just be deleted.

Thank you!

[flowersforgraves]

Thanks for the explanation. Tags have been accepted as-is.

[(Anonymous)]

Not the nominator, but ‘Lord Captain’ is a title of address for the Rogue Trader and could be removed from Warhammer 40.000: Rogue Trader (Video Game): Female Rogue Trader | Lord Captain

[flowersforgraves]

Fixed and approved, thanks

[sarriathmg]

I have posted a comment on the previous post and haven't gotten a response. Thinking you might've missed it:

I noticed that a relationship tag "Angel Dust/Husk (Hazbin Hotel)" has mistakably wandered over to the fandom "Helluva Boss (Web Series)" when it should be under "Hazbin Hotel (Cartoon)". (The same ship tag already exists under the correct fandom, and I don't know how the duplication works, how it might affect the signup form, etc.)

There's also a duplicate ship under "Helluva Boss (Web Series)":

Blitzo/Stolas Goetia (Helluva Boss (Web Series))
Blitzo/Stolas Goetia (Helluva Boss)

Also, not the original nominator but for "Hazbin Hotel: Charlie Magne | Morningstar", Magne was the name used for the character in the pilot episode that had since been changed to "Morningstar" in the official show, so unless the fandom is specifically nominated as the pilot episode, Morningstar would be the more correct name to keep.

[flowersforgraves]

I will fix those, thanks!

[(Anonymous)]

XCOM (Video Games) & Related Fandoms

It's just the canonical tag, so yeah, it can be changed. XCOM (Video Games) could work because that includes XCOM, XCOM2, and Chimera Squad.

[flowersforgraves]

Fixed and approved, thanks

[turbulentmuse]

Not the nominator but for Homestuck the names that should be kept are "Dave's Bro" (technically Beta Dirk isn't wrong but he's never referred to as such), "The Psiioniic", and "The Signless" (both titles are used for the characters in canon but these are their original titles)

[flowersforgraves]

Thanks, approved tags as suggested.

[violet_pencil]

* DC's Arrowverse: Alura In-Ze | Alura Zor-El (Arrowverse)

Not the nominator, but this should be "Alura Zor-El" for the TV show version.

* Marvel Cinematic Universe: Brunnhilde | Valkyrie

Also not the nominator-- I could be wrong about this but I don't think "Brunnhilde" has ever been used as a canon name for the MCU version of the character-- only in extracanonical sources like tweets, the mobile game, etc. So it should be "Valkyrie."

[flowersforgraves]

Fixed and approved, thanks.

[artemisdart]

I nominated some Miraculous Ladybug characters. Here's a non-piped version:

Adrien Agreste
Marinette Dupain-Cheng
Alternate Adrien Agreste
Alternate Marinette Dupain-Cheng

[flowersforgraves]

Fixed and approved, thanks.

[cat2000]

Hi!

I nominated the Warbreaker fandom. VaraTreledees can be deleted.

Also, you haven't mentioned it, but I assume that's also the problem with the Mortal Kombat nominations I made? Scorpion and Sub-Zero can be deleted. Noob Saibot can also be deleted as well.

[flowersforgraves]

Yep, I couldn't see the MK noms at the time of the post but yes, that's the info I needed! Thanks. Approved all of those.

[(Anonymous)]

Lorne | Krevlornswath can be changed to just Lorne

Also don't see it on the list but I seem to have been on a "forget there is piping here" tear in the crossovers section as I've just notice I also left the piping in for Beth Kane | Alice (Arrowverse)/Harley Quinn (Any Version) That can be changed to just Beth Kane. Sorry for the extra work.

[flowersforgraves]

Fixed and approved, thanks

[(Anonymous)]

hi i nominated terror train - AMT. would 'terror train (tubi movies)' work? i am mainly interested in the tubi remake and its sequel, but wasn't quite sure how to phrase the nomination.

[flowersforgraves]

Yup, I put it through as Terror Train (Tubi Movies)!

[dark_luke]

Star Wars Hutt stuff nominator here.

I didn't want to limit the scope of where Hutt related stuff could come from (if that makes sense) and there actually isn't all that much Hutt stuff in the movies themselves so maybe it could be changed to "Star Wars Original Characters" or "Star Wars Expanded Universe" instead?

[sheliak]

The Hazards of Love (Webcomic): Fawn | Amparo Uribe

This is mine, and I'm sorry! I should've asked how to deal with that earlier. The issue here is that this character doesn't have a name that isn't shared with other characters—they lose the name Amparo Uribe to a cat (who then goes by Amparo Uribe for some time), so for most of the series they are not Amparo Uribe. They eventually gain the name/title Fawn, but there are thirteen other Fawns who appear in the comic (although at least those ones still have their real names).

I suppose "Main Fawn" would probably be clear to others in the fandom? I think either half of the piped name would be at least somewhat ambiguous, though.

[flowersforgraves]

Thanks for the info! I'll clear it with the actual mods but it sounds to me like this is one of those situations where the pipe is the best way to go!

[(Anonymous)]

It's not in clarifications but I forgot about the piping thing and have some noms with them in;
Mary | Marnie/Nezu | Piers (PKMN MVGS)
Nezu | Piers/Rose | Chairman Rose (PKMN MVGS)

these can be changed to;
Marnie/Piers (PKMN MVGS)
Piers/Chairman Rose (PKMN MVGS)

Apologies!

[flowersforgraves]

Cool, thanks!

edit: are you also the "anthro!Obstagoon" nominator? We can't accept that nomination, unfortunately.

[withthekeyisking]

Nominated the Agents of SHIELD relationship, and I’m good with that change!

[cypher]

Caught one duplicate in the Warhammer 40.000 section:

Horus Lupercal/Rogal Dorn (WH40k)
Rogal Dorn/Horus Lupercal (WH40k)

[(Anonymous)]

Nominator for Avengers Team Members here. Could we say "Any THREE or more members of the Avengers team"?

My initial thought was for team fic featuring the primary original 6, but I recognize that's a lot of people and I don't mind giving the option to narrow it down. But two just doesn't seem like enough to capture that team vibe.

[(Anonymous)]

Found a duplicate under ダンジョン飯 | Dungeon Meshi | Delicious in Dungeon

Senshi/Chilchuck Tims (Dungeon Meshi)
Senshi/Chilchuck Tims (ダンジョン飯 | Dungeon Meshi | Delicious in Dungeon)

[artemisdart]

I have one more piped nomination:

Cardinal | Archex/Armitage Hux

Can be changed to

Cardinal/Armitage Hux

Thanks and sorry!

[(Anonymous)]

Hi! I nominated a bunch of the Parahumans ships, here's nonpiped versions of the relevant characters:

Skitter
Tattletale
Kid Win
Clockblocker
Panacea
Browbeat

[(Anonymous)]

Oops, I can't edit from anon XD
so it would look like

Skitter/Tattletale
Kid Win/Clockblocker
Clockblocker & Skitter
Panacea/Skitter
Browbeat/Clockblocker

[ancslove]

Hello!

In The Mandalorian (TV), can I adjust "Children of the Watch Covert/Luke Skywalker (The Mandalorian)" to

"Any Children of the Watch Covert/Luke Skywalker (The Mandalorian)"?

No worries if it's too late! Thank you

[flowersforgraves]

Perfect, thank you! Changed and accepted.

[(Anonymous)]

Another duplicate under 呪術廻戦 | Jujutsu Kaisen (Manga)

Inumaki Toge/Okkotsu Yuuta (Jujutsu Kaisen)
Inumaki Toge/Okkotsu Yuuta (呪術廻戦 | Jujutsu Kaisen (Manga))

[idficmod]

Dupe removed, thanks!